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巴夏Bashar:自由意志和超灵

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巴夏Bashar:自由意志和超灵

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Free Will and the Oversoul
自由意志和超灵
---(下文中,Q为互动提问者,B为巴夏)---
Q: Would you clarify this idea you keep referring to, that yourreality is
a perfect reflection of what you want, as many of us, because wehave
created the idea of separation, when you say, “you,” we considerthat to
mean our aware ego consciousness.
你一直在提及这样一个理念,你们的现实实相是完美反射了你们所要的,你可以做进一步的说明吗?
作为我们很多人,因为我们已经建立的分离的概念,当你说“你们”,
我们就认为这意指我们已知的“我”EGO意识。
B: /You/ consider it to mean that.
“你,你们”,把它看做就是指你说的这个含义的。
Q: That’s what I said… that’s what I meant to say anyway.
这就是我想说的.... 至少这就是我想表达的意思。
B: Thank you.
谢谢你。
Q: Yeah, well, there are others who…
太棒了,真好,还有些人,他们....
B: All right, but no need to speak for them, you are speaking foryourself.
好的,但是不必去代表他们说什么,你是在代表你自己来说。
Q: All right, I’ll do that.
好的,我会那么做。
B: Thank you.
谢谢你。
Q: So, would you clarify this idea that since we have chosen tomake…
那么,你能进一步说明这个概念吗?由于我们已经选择去做.....
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/”I.”/
“我”!
Q: Since /I/ have chosen… you have too? Ha, ha. (Laughter)
Since I have… well, I’m asking the question for other people.
由于“我”已经选择....你太过强调了吧? 哈,哈,(现场笑声)
由于我已经....好吧,我代表其他人来问这个问题。
B: Why?
为什么?
Q: Because /I/ understand the principle.
因为我懂得规矩礼数。
B: Are they here?
那他们都在现场吗?
Q: Um, I don’t know.
噢,我不知道。
B: How about you ask it for yourself? And then you may be able toshare it
with them later.
那你代表你自己,来问怎么样?于是你之后,也许有能力和你那些朋友分享它。
Q: Okay, I’ll ask it.
好吧,“我”要问这个问题。
B: Understand, that no matter whether you say, I, or we, /I/ willunderstand
that you are asking it for yourself – that is /my/ perspective ofyou.
要明白,不管你说“我”或者“我们”,都没所谓,
我都会明白,那是你在为你自己问这个问题---这是我对你的洞察。
Q: Okay, I’ll ask it as though I was asking it for myself. Ah, Icreate
the idea of separation such that I view myself, my outer awareego
consciousness, as all that there is of me.
好的,我要以---是我在为我自己问这个问题---来问。啊哈,我产生了一个分离的念头,
而我看待我自己,我对我外在的觉知意识,小我EGO意识,(它们)都是指同一个事物,
这所有的一切都是我。
B: Yes.
是喽~!
Q: And then this idea comes along that I create my reality and I’msaying
to myself, well, I didn’t create this accident. Obviously you’rereferring
to other portions of myself that I consider separate frommyself.
那这个概念进一步的来说,我构造了我的现实实相,
而且我是正在对我自己说,我并没创造这样一个偶然意外,它不是偶然意外。
很显然,你正在针对的是---我所认定分离孤立在我自己之外的---我的其他部分的自己。
B: Yes.
不赖啊~
Q: And I create the idea of difficulty in connecting your use ofthe term
/you,/ with my outer aware ego consciousness and all the otherparts of
myself. Could you elaborate on what you really mean when you say,you
create your own reality, and how it reflects all the other portionsof our
consciousness?
那么用你们的说法,我产生了一个和“我感知在我之外的EGO意识”,
也即属于我内的所有其他部分,连接关联的障碍和难度的概念,
而这些其他部分,按照你的用词说法“你们”。
当你说:“你创造了你自己的现实实相”时,你的真正意指是什么,你能详细说明一下吗?
并且它是如何反射我们意识的其他所有部分的呢?
B: The /total/ /you/ creates the idea.
那个一体完整的,完全终极的绝对的【你】,产生了这个想法。
Q: What does that mean?
那含义是什么呢?
B: The non-physical, all right?
非物质的,这样可以吗?
Q: Okay.
好的。
B: It creates the ultimate, quote/unquote, ultimate choice of whatyou
wish to experience. In this way, that non-physical, higherconsciousness
/you/ creates the choice of having a physical life, a physicalreality. In
this way, the physical you, the physical mentality that yourecognize – you
physically recognize – to be your physical mind, creates many ofthe
/methodologies/ of choice, the manner in which you fulfill thenon-physical
choice to have the experience.
By analogy, the non-physical you says, you will walk down thishallway. And
the physical mentality determines /how/ you will walk down thehallway, but
walk down it you will. Because the physical mentality is subject tothe non-physical Oversoul.
Do you follow me?
它产生着最根本的,最终极的,彻头彻尾的,你所希望去体验的“无上选择权”。
这样一来,那个非物质的,高层【意识】的“你”,
提供了拥有一个物质生命,一个物质的现实实相的选择权。
这样,物质的你---你确认物质的心智思想—你物质生理的确认—去【是】, 去成为你的物质心智,
构造出很多(类型)特定的精选的方法论,在这些方法论里的方式方法,基本态度,外观形态,行动举止;
规则惯例,生活方式,等等,使得你去履行非物质状态下选定了,要去获得的体验。
用类比的方式来比拟,非物质的【你】说:你要在这个门厅里散步。
于是物质的心智思想来决定,以怎样的方式在门厅里散步,但散步你肯定要做的。
因为物质心智是受非物质超灵支配的。
你跟上我了吗?
Q: Yes.
是的。
B: Will this have answered your question?
那么这样有没回答了你的问题?
Q: Yes. Now what about those cases where the physical beingnessfinds
discomfort in that which the Oversoul beingness has chosen?
是的。现在我想知道,当“物质存有”发觉了,作为“超灵”已选定的那些情形和状况,
是物质存有觉得不舒服不安的,那又会如何?
B: Then that is simply the way, and the methodology, that thephysical
mind has chosen to walk down the hall – in discomfort.
那就只有那个方式和那个方法论模式,那个物质生理心智只能选定在不舒适不安的状态下去在门厅里散步了。
Q: Let’s think of it in terms of, like, an automobile mishap…
让我想想,按这个说法,它好像,比如一个车辆事故....
B: Yes.
是的。
Q: … where the guy, to all his present consciousness doesn’tbelieve
that he had anything to do with it.
....那哥们儿,对他当时的所有思想意识来说,压根儿也想不通,他曾用它干了什么。
B: So what?
那又怎么样?
Q: Would you comment on that?
在那一点上,你能再说说嘛?
B: I just did.
我刚才说过了啊。
Q: Well, the guy…
好吧,那哥们儿....
B: To the Oversoul, it does not matter. The Oversoul /knows/ whatthe
purpose is. It is up to the physical mentality to discoverthat.
对于超灵来说,那根本不重要。
超灵明白目标意图是什么。它高于物质心智并指引物质心智去发现和获得那个体验。
Q: Right. What I’m saying is, the physical mentality has not chosena
methodology for getting into an accident.
是啊。我说的意思是,并不是物质心智思想选定了要陷入一个“意外”事故里。
B: Then that /is/ the choice, period. And that is the purpose ofthe life,
to experience the idea of separation and the frustration that maycome with
it. But understand that when the being is once again non-physical,they
will know why they chose to create it that way. And they willunderstand
how it has added to the overall understanding and creation ofthemselves as
a total being.
话说回来,毕竟,那是选择,句号。而且那是人生的目标意图,去体验分离和挫折的概念,以及可能伴随着它发生的那些。但是要明白,当一个存有,一旦再次回到“非物质”,他们就会明白,他们为什么要选择以那样的方式去构造它。并且他们会懂得,这些体验,对于他们的【自我】作为一个“完整一体”的【存在】,是如何增强了“综合全面的领悟和了解”,以及他们自身的创造是作为一个【完整一体的存在】。
To the Oversoul it does not matter, ultimately, in this way, whatthe
physical mentality thinks. If that is the methodology that has beenchosen,
has been preferred, then that is the one that will be physicallylived.
Understand that to the Oversoul there is infinity. There is no needto
think that they are wasting time in experiencing a life in thatmanner. To
the Oversoul, lives are simultaneous; it is all going on right now.Will
this have clarified the idea to some extent?
对超灵来说,在那件事的方式上,物质心智在想什么,根本不重要的。如果那就是作为一个被选定的方法论,
是被作为首选的,于是那就是物质生理上会被经历的一个事物。要明白,对于超灵来说,那是无限无穷的,
超灵有无限的时间和空间。根本不需要去考量,他们在那个模式方式下,正在体验的一生,是在浪费时间。
对于超灵来说,生活是同时存在同步发生,同时同步联立的;在当下它们全部都在进行着。以上的描述,
会让这个概念,在某些程度上有澄清吗?
Q: To some extent.
某种程度上,是的。
B: All right.
好啊。
Q2: I have a problem though with this.
第二提问者:关于这个问题,我还有个疑问。
B: You have a what?
你有什么问题?
Q2: I don’t understand where the free choice comes in, when we arein the physical body.
第二提问者:我不明白,当我们是处于物质生理身体里的时候,从哪里看出来,我们有自由选择呢?
B: All right. /How/ you go about it is the majority of the freechoice you
experience in physical reality. The fact that you /will/ explorecertain
concepts is the choice of the Oversoul. And the physical mentalitywill not
be able to /not/ explore those ideas, except in one circumstance –suicide.
好吧。你如何去着手处理这事情,大多数是属于自由选择的,这是你在物质现实里体验到的。
事实上,你将探索和认真体验的是超灵选择的已确定的总体的概念观念想法。
因此,物质生理心智就没有能力不去探索和认真面对这些概念想法,除非一个方式---自杀。
But when you suicide, you automatically go back to the point whereyou know
that this is what you wanted to do. And you will put yourself rightback in
a similar situation until you allow yourself to fulfill theagreement that
you made from physical consciousness to your higher consciousness,and vice versa. Do you follow?
但是当你自杀之后,你不自觉的回到那个问题想法观念上,于是你明白了那就是你被要求去面对的。
于是你会把你自己马上放回来,进入一个类似的情况和局面状况里,直到你让你自己去履行了那个协议,
那个由(你的)物质生理意识和你的高层意识所做的协议,反之亦然。你跟上了吗?
Q2: Yes, I think so, to a certain extent.
第二提问者:是的,我想是,在一定程度上吧。
B: All right. Keep it simple, no need to complicate it. Recognize,in this
way, simply all we are saying is that you, in your non-physicalstate, will
determine to experience a certain concept or idea. The physicalmentality
will be the determiner of exactly how you will experience that –what
symbols you will create, what situations, what kinds ofrelationships.
好的,让它简单点,不必把它想的那么复杂。要认清,这么说的时候,我们正在讲述的全部,仅仅是(描述)你,在你的非物质状态里,会做出决定,去体验某一个观念或者概念想法。物质生理心智,会去精确的决定,
你将会怎样体验它们,你要构造什么样的象征,符号,标志,什么样的状况和局面,什么类型的关联关系。
Trusting that there are no interruptions in your life, and thateverything
in your life is a product of what you do want to experience, willallow you
to know and to be in positive accord with the non-physical choices.So your
life will become a positive, joyful manifestation, rather than afrustrating limiting one.
相信和信赖着,在你的生命里,没有任何障碍和干扰,而且在你的生命中的所有每件事情,
都是你想去做,想去体验的一个创作作品,于你的非物质的选择相符的创作作品,
与非物质的选择相一致,这会让你意识到觉察到,并且会带你进入积极和愉悦里。
所以,你的生活将会成为一个积极的愉悦的,令人愉快和高兴欣喜快乐的表现形式,
而不是一个令人沮丧的,障碍重重的一生。
Thus, you can in this way, almost actually, in a sense, not haveto
experience what you chose to experience, by allowing yourself torecognize
what the experience is for, and simply integrating the idea withinyour
overall knowingness, before you have to create the physicalexperience and
put yourself through that. Do you follow me?
所以说,你们能按照这个方式去做,在某种意义上,几乎是事实,
去经历和体验,被“你”选择去体验的,不是必须的
在你不得不去创造物质生理体验,并且将你自己投入那个概念想法的体验并完成它之前,
仅仅是通过促使你自身,去认清经历和体验的“目的”是为了什么,
并且单纯的去完全融合那个观念想法,在你内在【全部整体知晓】里的那个概念想法,
那么实际上几乎,在一定程度上,去经历被“你”所选择去体验的,不是必须的。
Q2: I think so.
第二提问者:我想是这样。
B: That can be one of the ways in which you can allow yourself togo about
learning what you chose to learn.
这可以作为诸多路径方式中的一个,
在这个方式上,在学习领悟你所选定要去领悟的这方面,
你可以让你自己去自由应付。
(这一段,基本是阐明了,为什么会有这样一个物质身体,只是因为当初产生了一个分离限制的想法。
于是,不管是什么样的想法,当物质生理意识,认清了自己原本是什么,于是重回自己的核心【自我】,
所有体验的终极目标,也是这个。当与这个终极意图一致,那这个经历和体验,就变得很轻松和愉悦了。
当初一念无明,产生了一个带有分离和限制的想法。因为这个分离限制的想法,营造了这样一个分离的梦境。
在这个梦境中,终极的目标,是重新回到一体自我上。就好像一个迷宫,终极任务,就是回想起,这根本是个迷宫的梦境,是自己设想的迷宫幻境。当回忆起,这迷宫是自己创造的,而自己真正是谁。于是,这迷宫的圈圈绕,原来的那个弯弯绕,就不是必须的了。---译者)
Q2: What about the interruptions? You said…
第二提问者:障碍干扰是怎么回事?你刚说....
B: There are none.
没有障碍和干扰
Q2: No, but in the first case you said – “provided there are nointerruptions.”
不是吧,但在第一种情形里,你说----“假如没有障碍和干扰”。
B: The idea, the idea that you create an interruption.
这个概念,这想法产生了一个障碍和干扰。
Q2: Oh, I see.
哦,对,我知道了。
B: There are no real interruptions. Even if you create aninterruption,
then you have chosen to do so. You are not really interruptingyourself,
you are still in control even when you create a situation in whichit seems
you are out of control; because you are controlling the
Idea of creating that “out of control” situation.
根本没有“真实”的障碍和干扰。
即使假如说你构造了一个障碍和干扰,因此你随后选择去那样做。
你根本没有真正的障碍和干扰你自己,你始终在自我控制下,
即使你构造了一个局面情况....
在这个局面情景里,它看上去似乎你是失控了;
而那关键在于---你正在【控制着】这个---正在产生着【“失控”的情景和局面】的这个【念头想法】。
Q2: But we still have to interact with other people.
但是我们始终不得不去和其他人互动和相互影响啊。
B: So what?
那又怎么样?
Q2: And they all have their own realities they are creating.
而且他们都有他们正在创造的属于他们自己的现实实相。
B: Yes, of course. But you have agreed to interact in manydifferent ways.
And understand this: one of the ideas for yourself, in what we havespoken
of – in terms of not necessarily needing to manifest negativeideas, so
that you can experience the idea you chose to experience – is toknow that
every individual already exists on every level of reality. And whenyou see
them change, it is because you have changed yourself.
And in this way, all you need to do to interact with whatever levelof
those individuals you wish to interact with is to put /yourself/ onthat
level. Then you will only interact with those individuals on thelevel you
know yourself to be. Do you follow me?
是的,当然了。但是在很多不同的方式路径上,你已经授权同意去相互影响,相互合作的互动。
要明白这一点:在我们已经阐述过的这些方面里,你自我的众多想法念头中的一个----必须去展现负面的想法念头,导致你能体验到那个你选定去体验的概念想法---这用我们已经说过的话来说,根本不是必须的---而是要去明白,每个个体早已存在于现实实相的所有每个层面。因此当你看到他们改变了变化了,那是因为你已经改变了你自己,你自己已经变化了。
所以这样一来,你希望去和无论什么层面上的那些个体们,相互影响,相互合作和互动的,你全部要做的,只是把你自己放到那个层面上。然后你只会和那些个体们,在那个层面---那个你知道你自己---要去“是”谁的---那个层面上,与那些个体们互动合作。你跟上了吗?
Q2: Yes.
第二提问者:是的,跟上了。
B: All right.
很好。
Q1: She made a point about freewill, and I think the point that’strying
to be made here is that in our outer aware consciousness, we don’talways
have a control that the concept of freewill, 100% freewill, seemsto be
telling us.
第一提问者:她特别关注“自由意志”的观点,但是我认为,在这里正试着去高度关注的关键点,是那个我们“对外在的(现实实相)”的知觉意识,似乎是在告诉我们,我们并不始终拥有一个属于“自由意志”理念下的控制,并不是100%的自由意志。
B: All right.
好的。
Q1: And I think that’s the point that I wanted you toaddress.
因此,我认为这是一个关键,并且我请求你来进一步阐释。
B: The majority of what you would think of as, quote/unquote, truefreewill,
comes from the /totality/ of your being – therefore, mostly thenon-physical side.
你们多半会认为,那个彻头彻尾的自始至终的真正的自由意志,
来自于你们存在的整体,因此,你们多半会认为,自由意志几乎都在非物质那边儿。
Q1: Right. So then, in certain cases, of course, you know… whetherI’m
sitting in the chair or whether I stand up, is an element offreewill for
my consciousness, /but/ in those cases of burglary andquote/unquote,
accidents etc, those being not freewill of our…
对啊。所以说,在某一确定的事件里,当然了,你明白....不管我正坐在椅子上也好,或者我站着也好,
对于我的意识来说,都是属于自由意志的,我可以自愿自由选择的元素,但是在那些夜盗事件里自始至终,
意外事故等等,那些事件又不属于我们的自由意志,并不是我们自己选择,自愿选择来的....
B: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
哦~~,是的,是的,是的,是的。
Q1: … of our?
你是指,那就是“我们”自己自愿选择的?
B: Yes, of your physical mentality. Understand that they are alsoways to
go about looking at specific whole concepts. There are very fewspecific
whole concepts. The idea of being burglarized is not a specificwhole
concept, it is a way of allowing yourself to look at a /portion/ ofa
specific whole concept: the idea of being abundant.
是的,属于你的物质心智的自由选择。要明白,它们也是去理解审视具体的完整整体理念的路径方式。
具体的完整总体理念没有几个。被破门盗窃的概念,并不是一个具体的整体理念,它是属于允许你自己去审视,
一个具体的整体理念中一部分片段的,一种方式路径,这个具体的整体理念是:“富足”的概念想法。
Q1: I understand that. What I’m saying is that the physicalconsciousness
does not choose the burglary to occur.
我明白你那意思。我想说的是,物质生理意识根本没去选择要发生这个夜盗。
B: Yes! Yes… it does. What the Overmind chooses is that you willexplore
the facets of abundance. Your physical mind says I will eitherexplore this
facet by knowing I am abundant and /not/ having to have to createthe idea of
somebody being able to take something away from me, or I /will/choose to
explore it by separation’s point of view and having somebodyremove
something from me. That is your physical mentality doing themethodology.
The only thing the Oversoul has decreed to you is that you willexplore the
idea of abundance, in whatever way your physical mentality choosesto.
是的,它正是自愿选择。超灵所选择的就是你要去探索和认知“富足”这个概念的各个方面。
你的物质心智说,我要么通过“知晓确信”---我是富足的,来探索这个方面,而不必去---
必须构造一个某人能从我里拿走什么东西,来展现我是富足的概念;要么我会选择---通过分离的视角,
有某个人从我这里挪走什么东西---来探索它。这就是你的物质心智在做方法论选择。
超灵唯一做的,只是给了你已确定的目标意图,也就是你要去探索“富足”的概念想法,
你的物质生理心智可以任意选择自由拣选无论什么样的方式路径。
Q1: So you are saying that we choose the burglary by virtue ofchoosing
/not/ to view ourselves as abundant.
那么你是在说,我们选择这个夜间入室盗窃的事件,是由于选定“不”去认为我们自己是富足的。
B: The idea of separation as opposed to integration – this is allthere
is. Physical reality is polarity. All the experiences that youcreate in
your life with your physical mentality all have to do withpolarities:
either integration or separation. That is it, that is all thereis.
分离的概念是与融合一体相对的---这里所有一切都是分离的。物质现实实相是极性的,对立的。
以你们的物质心智在你们的生活中产生和获得的所有体验,全都是,不得不与极性和对立相关的,
也即:不是一体融合的就是分离隔裂的。这就是原因,而这里所有都是这样。
Q1: The point that keeps coming back here, is that we do not chooseto
have somebody burglarize…
这又回到这个关键点上,这个问题始终在这里打转,也即,我们根本就没自愿选择,去让某个家伙来盗窃....
B: Yes. (You do)
是的,是你自愿选择的。
Q3: You choose it by believing in it and attracting it toyou.
第三提问者:你通过相信这个信念来选择了它,并且是你把这事件吸引到你那里的。
Q1: But I’m saying, not on the conscious level.
第一提问者:但是注意,我在说的,我是说,没在一个有意识自觉的层面上,自愿选择。
B: Yes!
你说对了!(你不自觉的做了自由选择。)
Q1: Not on the physical conscious level.
第一提问者:没在物质生理的意识自觉层面上。
B: Yes, yes.
是的,对了。
Q1: I don’t agree with that.
第一提问者:我根本不同意这说法。
B: All right. Understand that…
好吧,你要去理解....(被打断)
Q1: I agree with it on a higher level.
第一提问者:我认同于,它是在一个更高层面上的。(意即他不认同表层意识自觉是有100%选择自由的)
B: One moment. Your unconsciousness and your subconsciousnessare
/not/ products of the higher consciousness. They are products ofthe physical
consciousness, viewed from the separation viewpoint. Understandthat even
many of your modern psychologists understand that there really is/no such/
/thing/ as an unconscious. There is an excuse.(Audience responds,sighs: Aaah.)
你先等等。你的无意识和你的下意识,并不是高层面意识的产品。它们都是物质生理意识的作品,
从一个分离的割裂的出发点和视角,审视而来的。要弄明白是,甚至你们很多现代的心理学家们,都明白了,
根本就没有诸如“失去知觉的,无意识自觉,不受意识控制和选择”的这一类事物存在。
抱歉,刚才请你原谅。(现场一片惊呼,啧啧,叽叽喳喳)
Q1: Okay.
第一提问者:好!
B: Therefore, when we say it is a product of your physicalconsciousness,
we are including “un” and “sub” consciousness.
所以,当我们说,它是你们的物质生理意识的一个产品,我们是包含了无意识和下意识的。
Q1: Oh, so /now/ you tell us. (Audience laughter)
第一提问者:哦,那么,现在,你给我们讲讲。(现场笑声)
B: Thank you! Does that make it clearer?
谢谢你!刚才说的那个,能让它澄清了一些吗?
Q1: Yes! And that’s the point I’ve been trying to get at. We have astream
of consciousness that we know that… you know, ourself-awareness…
that’s what I’m trying…
第一提问者:是的!而且那就是我一直努力去想明白的,问题关键。
我们有一个意识流,我们明白那是... 你明白的,我们的自我意识.... 那正是我在努力去....
B: All right, allow me to say one more thing.
好吧,允许我再说一点东西。
Q1: Okay.
第一提问者:好的。
B: The viewpoint that you /have/ a separation in your physicalconsciousness
into an outer awareness, an un-awareness and a sub-awareness, /isa/
/physically conscious choice./ It is a reaction from something youfear to face.
你有一个分离割裂的视角,在你的物质意识你有一个分离的割裂的视角,进入一个外部知觉认识中,一个无意识知觉和一个下意识,这个视角是一个物质生理有意识自觉的“选择”。它是一个反作用,来自于你害怕,你恐惧去面对的某些事物。
(不是不能回忆,而是害怕回忆,因为假设了当初那“选择”是可怕的。
由于相信---“痛苦的结果是错误的痛苦的原因所导致的”。
所以,当遭遇一个厌恶的事情时,
很自然的假设出---“一定是做了一个错误选择,有害的选择,而这不是我要的。”
而其实那不是错误,一切都是完美的。营造都是依据概念想法,精确完美的营造出来的。
在用“好坏,利益,损害”的极性信念,做评判的时候,情感和思想就会表现出极端厌恶。
思想会判定它是错误的。然后就开始怀疑,这是不是自己自由自愿选择的。
如果是,那我为什么要让我自己来受这个苦?
这个怀疑,再推展一步,就是相信,一定有个什么比我更厉害的家伙在掌控我。
所以,我违逆了它的意思,它惩罚我。
变成了更加分离分裂的想法。)
Q1: Okay.
第一提问者:好的,明白。
B: Therefore, it is a conscious choice.
那所以,它是一个有意识自觉的选择,一个自愿选择。
Q1: When you say it is a conscious choice, would you say we shouldalso be
able to remember /making/ that choice?
第一提问者:当你说,它是一个有意识自觉的自愿选择时,你是在说,我也将会有能力回忆起自己自愿做了那选择?
B: You can. Understand that many times the only reason you do not,is that
you assume it to be painful. In this way we do understand thatyour
society, because of its choice of experiencing separation, has putcertain
limitations upon your consciousness that allows you to imprintyourself
early in life with habits that you may not, in your exactvernacular, be
outwardly consciously aware of, that you have.
你会的。要弄明白,很多次你回忆不起来的唯一原因,是假设它,你妄想它是有害的,非常痛苦的。
这样一来,我们就弄懂了,你们的社会,基于它的选择是属于经历着分离下的选择,
因此已经在你们的意识上投放了具体的确定的起到限制作用的规则,那让你们在你们生命的早期就已经盖上了习惯的烙印但是你们也许没有,用你们的本地白话来说,你们也许并没从你“对外在的表面的”意识,所觉察到,但你已经被盖上了。
Q1: Right on.
第一提问者:正解,太棒了!
B: Understand, however, it is still – even though you do notrecognize it
- the mechanism itself of creating the unconscious andsubconscious
portions, is still a conscious act. You do decide, though you maynot
remember it right now, because that is also a product of thedecision, but
you do decide.
要弄明白,不管怎样,即使你不承认,你没认清它,它依然是属于产生“无意识”部分,“下意识”部分的自身机制,它依然是一个【自觉意识】的行为。你下了决心做出【决定】,尽管你现在也许不记得有这回事了,因为这个遗忘,它同样也是这个【决定】的作品,这个决定产生的效果,但注意(这些效果)只基于你做了【决定】。
Q1: Okay, for someone who has an awareness of his thoughts andsays:
“Well, I don’t remember making that decision. I’m not aware ofmy
subconscious, I’m not aware of my unconscious.” How would you stateit in
such a way that it would be clear to them that they are in factcreating
their own reality, even though they do not believe…
第一提问者:好吧,由于某个人他察觉到他的想法并且说:
“嗯~,我要忘记做的这个决定。我觉察不到我的下意识,我觉察不到我的无意识”。
你怎么会以这样的方式来陈述它呢?这对他们来说,清楚的表明,他们事实上,
正在创造着属于他们自己的现实实相,尽管他们不相信.....
B: One word. TRUST. Unconditional trust will allow you to open alllevels
of your consciousness physically. So that you will have /one/ outeraware
consciousness that can then be in synchronous harmony with thenon-physical
higher consciousness in an integrated point of view, rather thana
separated point of view. Understand that it is the symboliccreation of the unconscious and the
subconscious, which keep you from consciously conversing with yourhigher
consciousness. They are the blocks you create and put in betweenyour
awareness /here,/ and your awareness /there/.
一个字。【相信】无条件的相信,会让你去“完全的”打开你的【意识】的所有全部层面。
以致于,你会有一体的外在觉知意识,能够随后与同时同步存在的【非物质】的更高层面意识协调一致,
处于一个完整一体的视角,而不是一个各自孤立分离的,分裂的视角。
要弄明白,下意识和无意识是象征性的产物,
而它们隐瞒和阻止你们有意识自觉的,和你们的更高层面的【意识】交谈对话。
它们是你们创作的塞子,并且放置在你们的意识觉知的,这边和那边,两边之间。
Q1: Then a statement that could be viewed as valid would be: evenif a
person does not consciously recall making a decision or somethingsuch as a
burglary, it is happening at a level other than his outer awareego
consciousness. Whether it be subconsciousness, unconsciousness orhigher
consciousness, right?
那这说法,看起来可以合理的解释为:即使一个人,没能有意识自觉的回想起做出了一个决定,
或者诸如一个夜间入室盗窃这类事,在某种程度上,它对于他“对外在”的知觉的“小我”EGO意识而言,绝不是'意外'发生的。(也即,这绝不是小我EGO以为的意外和碰巧)不管它是下意识,无意识或者更高层面意识,它都不是意外碰巧,对吧?
B: Yes. But allowing yourself to know that you /have/ made thedecision to
have this, will allow you to remember having made thedecision.
对了。但是要准许你自己去领悟,你已做了这决定来获得这个现实实相,这会让你去回忆起,你所做的决定。
Q1: Of course, but for a person who believes that he is /only/ hisouter aware ego consciousness…
第一提问者:这是当然了,要不是因为一个人,他相信他只是他的“对外在知觉”的小我意识 ....
B: Yes.
是的。
Q1: … for him to realize that he does have different levels fromwhich
he is making decisions, and that it is in fact his responsibility,this
will allow him to realize that there are other levels, andtherefore, integrate them.
第一提问者:....因为他去了解,他有这么多不同的层面都源自于他正做着【决定】,并且,在事实上,这是他的责任,这一点会让他去认识到,他有其他的一些层面,并因此,去融合这些层面,使它们融合一体而完整。
B: Yes.
是的。
Q1: Good, thank you.
第一提问者: 好棒,谢谢你。
B: Thank you.
谢谢你。
Q4: So could you please talk about /what it is/ in the physicalmind, some
of the barriers involved, in seeming to stop the spirit from beingaware of
its own omnipresence.
第四提问者:这样的话,能请你来谈谈,在物质生理心智里,一些裹在里面的障碍,那屏障,它是什么?
灵魂知道它自身无所不在遍满而全权,而看上去,似乎真的给塞住了。
B: What we have just discussed.
这就是刚才讨论过的。
Q4: Yes, right.
第四提问者:是,是讨论过。
B: The idea, in this way, simply is that you have a habitualritual. That
is all. Create a new habit. Trust that if that is the way that youfeel you
want to look at yourself, then /act/ as if that is the way you lookat
yourself. And you will create a new habit that will allow you
to see how that habit can only contain the idea of integration, andnot
separation. And bit by bit, you will transform into that newviewpoint, and then all
your actions will be based upon /that/ knowingness of yourself,rather than a
separated viewpoint of yourself. Do you follow me?
这个理念,从这个方面说,仅仅是,你有一个习以为常的习惯规则。就是这样。
构建一个新的习惯。如果那让你觉得,那是你渴望去审视你自我的道路,那么相信它,信任它,
如果这是你审视你自我的道路,那么就按照这道路去行动。于是你会创造出一个崭新的习惯,
会让你去领悟到,那新习惯是如何能够,只包含融合一体化,完整一体的理念,而非分离割裂。
并且一点一点的,你会转化到那个崭新的视角,然后你的所有全部行为会基于那个---你【自我】的【知晓】,
而不再是你自我的分离割裂的视角。你能跟上我吗?
Q4: Yes. So it’s just a matter of re-education of the mind?
第四提问者:是的,那么这只是【心灵】再训练的问题?
B: Yes. Your personality is an artificial construct, it is not whoand what /you/ are.
It is a tool. It will do what you want it to do, when you know whatthe idea of yourself /is/,
and trust that it can be what you are.
是的。你的个性人格是一个人工构造,它不是(真正的)你是谁以及你是什么。它是一个工具。
它会做你要它去做的,当你明白你的【自我】,这概念是什么的时候,并且信任相信这领悟这明白,
那么这个性人格就去成为“你所是的”。
Q4: Well, if we’re there already…
第四提问者:好的,如果我们早已在那儿了....
B: Yes.
是的。
Q4: … why are we playing the game of thinking that we’re not there,to be there already?
第四提问者:.... 为什么我们还在玩一个“我们假装认为我们没在那儿,然后又想起自己就在那儿”的把戏呢?
B: Why not, because that is one choice that you /can/ do? It issomething
you chose to do and began the cycle approximately 25,000 of youryears ago.
Now this is the end of the cycle and you are choosing somethingelse.
基于那是一个你能做到的选择,为什么不呢?这就是你选择去做的,了不起的事情,并且用你们的时间“年”,
你们在大约25000年前就开启了这个循环。现在这循环到了结尾,并且你们正在选择着别的,了不起的事情。
Q4: Are you saying this to me personally or…
第四提问者:你是对我个人说这些,还是.....
B: All of you. That is why you are here in this transformationallife.
对你们全部所有人。这就是为什么你在这儿,在这个“转换”的人生里。
Q4: And 25,000 years is the time period for this phase ofhumanity?
第四提问者:那么25000年是对于这一纪人类而言的时间周期?
B: Yes.
是的
Q4: Where were we before?
第四提问者:那我们之前在哪儿呢?
B: Before the 25,000 years?
你说25000年前?
Q4: Yes.
第四提问者:对!
B: In many other civilizations and many other ideas, both on thisplanet and off.
在很多其他文明体系里,以及在这个星球上以及不在这个星球上的很多其他的理念概念。
Q4: So we came here to get messed up, uh?
第四提问者:那就是说,我们到这儿来,却把这儿,搞的一团糟,啊?
(Audience laughs and sighs)
(现场笑声和叹息声)
B: In a sense. Understand this idea: one of the ways in which youcan know you are creating more of yourself
is by the creation of very rapid, accelerated, intensified, highlyfocused experience- another term for physical reality. It is agreat acceleration of what you want to learn, because it is sointensely focused.
在某种程度上吧。这个想法,要弄明白:(你们来这里所做的)所有方式路径中的一个,在这个方式路径上,你能够了解并懂得,你正在创造着更多的你自己,是通过非常迅疾的,加速度的,效果增强的创造,高度聚焦的体验--这是对物质现实实相的另一说法。这让你们所渴望去了解和领悟的东西,具有一个巨大的加速度,因为它是一个如此剧烈的极度的聚焦。
Q4: So in other words, a being wants that much more of himself, sohe
seems to take away more to find out how much more he is?
第四提问者:那么换句话说,一个【存在】需要弄出更多的他自己,那么他似乎带走更多,
为了去弄明白,他到底,多到什么程度?
B: Yes. Very good!
是的,很棒!
Q4: Thanks.
第四提问者:谢谢。
B: Oh, thank you.
哦,谢谢。
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* Bashar Channeled by Darryl Anka 巴夏 经由 达里尔安卡 传送
*原文出处:http:///2011/01/31/free-will-and-the-oversoul/
* 翻译整理:冷静投机 (欢迎指正翻译错漏,谢谢)
(无条件的信任,就是无条件的喜爱,就是无条件的容许,接纳,肯定。而一体化融合的含义就是容许,接纳和承认。去审视一下自己的内心,当你无条件的信任某件事某个人时,你对这事这人,是全开放的,而不是阻隔塞住的。这种全开放就是内在自我的无惧,如果你有恐惧,怀疑,你就是有条件的信任,你的信任里,还会有恐惧和紧张,有限制,有障碍,有心结,自然打不开全部意识。对于文字的解释,我个人的体会,是审视观察这文字所蕴含的内心心态是什么样的感受。通常我们习惯,是预先假设和想象某个事物的结果和过程。在还未真正实际尝试,实际去经历它之前,就开始预先想象它的结果,或者用自己已经经历的去想象渲染一个感受,并疑惑在自己想象的结果里。通常的内心对话是:“哦,那说法有意思,如果到那一步,是什么状态呢?那个境界是什么样的,可能是.....,也可能是......,那境界是否还要.....然后....就....。”
另外一个常见的,我们的习惯心理,是总盯着外部,想知道外面有谁做到了。别人做到什么程度。而其实别人有没做到,不重要,重要的是自己如何脚踏实地的去亲自体验,在自己内在去审视观察。事实上,不必预先想象那些结果是什么,靠思维涂抹那还未真正亲身体会的境界是什么。只需要向自己内在去探索,去亲身尝试,不断向内去观察它,不加想象,尤其不加“负面”评判的去审视它。---译者个人理解)

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