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原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www. 翻译：osmond 转载请注明出处 论坛地址：http://www./bbs/thread-243480-1-1.htmljames anderson Sprite does nothing to actually reduce acetaldehyde, the underlying cause. The only product known to reduce acetaldehyde and actually PREVENT hangovers is Alcotox. I never drink without it. My 2 cents. 雪碧不能减少乙醛也没有什麼用，实际上能减少的乙醛和预防宿醉的唯一產品是Alcotox. 没有Alcotox我都不喝酒的，只要2先令，2先令预防宿醉，你，值得拥有。 bB@james anderson James...did you read the study? That is exactly what Sprite does, it increases the rate of ALDH activity, thus reducing the levels of acetaldehyde! James…你确认看了吗？这正是雪碧，它增加了乙醛脱氢酶活性的速率，从而降低乙醛的水準！ james anderson@bB I did read the 'study', Here are the problems; 1) Speeding up enzyme activity and reducing acetaldehyde are not the same thing. One is speeding up and the other is reducing . Even accepting the stated premise, why have they not disclosed by how much the process was speeded up by ? Is it 1%, 5%, 100% ?. A 1% result would be statistically significant but practically meaningless. 2) What ratio of sprite was used relative to the alcoholic beverage and how strong was the alcohol ?. We know that acetaldehyde varies considerably amongst different beverage; beer contains the least, liquors and spirits contain the most. A gallon of sprite on a thimble full of beer would produce an entirely different result than a thimble full of sprite on a gallon of 40% proof spirits. I therefore dismiss this as a 'study', it comes across more of a PR gimmick, likely funded by Coca Cola to boost sales of their soft drinks, knowing full well the gullibility of an uncritical and unthinking public. 我还真是认真的“研究”了的，这有问题啊。 加快酶活性和降低乙醛不是一样的概念。他这里只说了一个加快，一个降低，就算我肯接受一个既定的前提，他们為什麼没有透露多加速了多少？是1% ,5% 还是100%？从统计学意义上来说如果只有1%的加速在实际情况下是毫无意义的。 使用多少比例的雪碧对应多少酒精含量的多少酒精饮品？我们都知道酒精饮品至少包含啤酒和烈性酒，一加仑（约4l）雪碧和一品脱（约600ml）啤酒对比一加仑雪碧和一加仑40度的烈酒会產生完全不同的结果。 就凭以上两点我就决定放弃这个“研究”了，它只不过是个公关噱头。可能是可口可乐公司资助的这个研究专案用来提升其旗下的软饮料销售，他们知道，一小部分不明真相的群眾会不加批判、不假思索的就相信了这个胡扯。 BanjoBuxby@james anderson lol. maybe it works, but the PR copy reads like another alt.health nutraceutical scam. placebo ftw! ~~羊~~哈~~哈~~，也许这只是人家的一项公关工作而已，这篇文章读起来很有保健品骗局的味道嘛，其实想喝的人也不过是求个心理安慰而已。 Emily Thorne being that Sprite is one of the few soft drinks to contain sugar instead of saccharine or aspartame this is most likely due to the simple rehydration effect it is providing to the body. & that it delivers it more quickly to the body since it is carbonated. Like, D'oh. 一些软饮料好像雪碧应该是含有糖而不是糖精或阿斯巴甜之类的甜蜜素。而糖份能对人体起到简单的补充体力的作用。或者因為碳酸饮料就是能迅速的促进身体做出反映什麼的。 Like, D'oh. bB@Emily Thorne Actually, you are completely wrong. I suggest people go read the study before they make comments like these. They did not do these tests in vivo with subjective human measures...they used biochemical assays to determine which of 57 different drinks would increase ALDH activity. Sprite is the only one that worked. 其实呢，你完全错了。我建议大家去认真的阅读这篇文章之后再来评论。他们做的是生化检测，分析对比了57种不同的饮料会增加乙醛脱氢酶的活性。雪碧是唯一效果最好的，这不是他们的主观臆断。 David Mowatt Irn Bru does the trick. Irn Bru的伎俩而已。 kylemanishere I find that age also is a big factor. Young and you deserve it anyway, old and it almost kills you. My tip - Lots of tea and a full english breakfast, the greasier the better. Then total silence. 我发现年龄是一个重要的因素。你够年轻的话你就能承受，老了的话它几乎可以杀死你。我的秘诀是大量的茶叶和全套英式早餐，越是油腻越好。吃完这些后我就不会酒后人来疯了。 Farfromthemaddingcrow No not Sprite it has to be Coke every time. 不不不，不是雪碧，我每次宿醉都是可乐让我感觉好一点。 Chris Leate They should have tried beer. That is clearly the best cure for a hangover. Tried sprite this morning. Didn't work. I don't think our sprite is the same as in China. My friend lives there and confirm it's completely different and doesn't have as many sweeteners and more sugar. 他们应该试试啤酒，这显然是解决宿醉最好的办法了。今天早上试了雪碧之后我都没法工作了。我不认為我们的体质和中国人一样，我的朋友住在中国，她能证实在中国卖的雪碧和我们这里卖的是完全不同的，他们那边卖的雪碧没有那麼多的甜味剂和糖。 JstMyWondering Organic apple cider vinegar and water .. Good Breakfast .. Boom ..hang over gone.. Quote me on that folks .. 有机苹果醋和水，还有一顿丰盛的早餐，这些才是解决宿醉的好办法。有点小忙，我先走了，记住我的话啊ladies and乡亲们。 kawasakiman Just as a matter of interest, what process does the body go through after ingesting toxins such as say, aspartame ? 我比较好奇一个问题：我们的身体经过什麼样的管道会获取毒素，比如，阿斯巴甜？（译注：这个kawasakiman和楼下的bB这两人就為了争论一个 阿斯巴甜起码用了20层楼都有多） obert@kawasakiman Aspartame is made from combining phenylalanine, aspartic acid and methanol. In the stomach aspartame is broken into these constituent components. Phenylalanine is metabolised like any other amino acid, as is aspartic acid. The methanol reacts with the acid in your stomach to produce formaldehyde, which in principal is poisonous. In practice, however, when you look at the concentrations involved you'll find that there is way more methanol in a glass of wine, than there is in an artificially sweetened drink. Net result: Aspartame is not poisonous unless you drink about 200 liters of diet coke per day. 我们胃里的阿斯巴甜分解成了苯丙氨酸、天门冬氨酸和甲醇等成分。甲醇在你的胃里和胃酸反应生成甲醛，这就是有毒的。然而，实际上，你胃里这些甲醛浓度还没有您喜欢的一杯酒这麼醇，也比一杯人工甜味剂的饮料含量要少。 结论就是：阿斯巴甜是没有毒的，除非你每天能喝下200升的可乐，那它就是有毒的。 Chrysichthys kawasakiman Aspartame isn't a toxin unless you have an inherited metabolic disease called phenylketonuria, which prevents your body from breaking down the amino acid phenylalanine, causing it to accumulate until it has dangerous effects. Phenylalanine is actually an essential nutrient for protein production, and is a component of all protein, but phenylketonuriacs need to keep their intake to the essential minimum. This is why products containing aspartame carry a warning that aspartame contains phenylalanine. The idea that aspartame is toxic for the vast majority is an urban myth. (And no, I am not an employee of NutraSweet). 阿斯巴甜不是一种毒素，除非你患了一种叫苯丙酮尿症的遗传代谢病。这个病会打破氨基酸苯丙氨酸的平衡，造成这种东西在你的身体内累积，最后会造成很危险的后果。实际上，苯丙氨酸是一种人体產生蛋白质必需的营养素，是所有的蛋白质的一个组成部分，但需要保持必要的最低限度的摄入量。这就是為什麼要在含有阿斯巴甜的饮料產品包装上印刷一个警告，因為阿斯巴甜中含有苯丙氨酸。 阿斯巴甜有毒的想法是一个神话故事。 好吧小哥，其实吧，我不是帮阿斯巴甜打工的，真的，我发誓。 kawasakiman@Chrysichthys Naturally occuring Phenylalanine is always bound to other counterbalancing amino acids. 'Isolated' phenylalanine found in artificial sweeteners has no counterbalancing amino acids, and is readily absorbed by the brain causing an excess of free radicals which over stimulate brain cells. That, by definition makes aspartame a neurotoxin. 自然发生的苯丙氨酸总是绑定到其他氨基酸使之平衡。“隔离”人工甜味剂中的苯丙氨酸使之平衡氨基酸，因此由大脑造成过量的自由基后，该自由基过度刺激脑细胞很容易被吸收。根据以上定义得出阿斯巴甜的一种神经毒素。 bB@kawasakiman LOL, do you know anything about neurobiology? Have you ever even taken a science class. There is so much wrong with this statement I don't know where to start. ~~哇~~哈~~哈~~你觉得你很瞭解神经生物学麼？即便你曾经上过几堂科学课，你说的这两句话里还是已然有这麼多错，多的我都不知道该从哪里挑了。 kawasakiman@bB ...so because you don't know where to start, you just didn't ?Point out to me a natural source of isolated Phenylalanine. That would be a great start. 无语，是因為你不知道从哪里开始麼?要不麻烦您老给我指出一种天然来源的分离苯丙氨酸，这一定会是个很好的开始。 bB@kawasakiman A natural source of Phenylalanine? Milk, cheese, whatever. We HAVE to absorb phenylalanine! It is an essential amino acid, we can't produce it, but we HAVE to have it in order to break it down and make products like tyrosine, dopamine, etc. Whats more, Phenylalanine actually blocks gluatmatergic signalling (NMDA and AMPA), this does the exact opposite of what you're claiming- it decrease excitability, it doesn't increase it. Quit reading your pop-sci, blog-o-crap junk and do some research if you really want to tout about this stuff. 天然来源的苯丙氨酸？牛奶、乳酪等等，多了去了。我们需要吸收苯丙氨酸！它是一种必需的氨基酸，但是我们不能生產它，…………更重要的是，实际上苯丙氨酸块（NMDA和AMPA）这两者是完全相反的，你说它降低兴奋性，可是实际上是错的，如果你真的想把这东西研究一下的话就不要再看你那本大眾科学杂誌和那些垃圾博客了。 kawasakiman@bB I said 'ISOLATED Phenylalanine'. I suggest you read the comments to which you're replying clearly, and then stop quoting your own pop-sci junk, which clearly doesn't include anything about isolated amino acids. 我说的是“孤立的苯丙氨酸”。 我建议你先好好看看评论再回答清楚，还有，不要再引用自己的大眾科学杂誌了。那里面显然没有任何关於分离氨基酸的知识。 bB@kawasakiman Isolated Phenylalanine? Seriously, guy? WE ARE A SOURCE! What do you think happens when a protein enters the stomach? Protein (several folded amino-acids comined together) gets denatured (unfolded), once it is denatured, the chain is hydrolized (cut up) into the separate amino-acids. These amino-acids are then circulated and used as needed. And phenylalanie, like any amino-acid, doesn't just 'absorb' across the blood-brain barrier. They are actively transported by transporters. Phenylalanine is actively transported by the same transporter as Tyrosine. Once in the brain, Phenylalanine is converted to Tryosine by the enzyme Phenylalanine hydroxylase. The only time that phenylalanine is detrimental to your health is if you have PKU, where your phenylalanine hydroxylase enzyme does not function. This leads to toxic build ups of Phe. 孤立的苯丙氨酸？你是认真的吗哥哥？我们是一个源！你认為蛋白质进入你胃里的时候会发生什麼事？蛋白（几个折叠的氨基酸复合在一起）获取变性（展开），一旦变性，链水解（切）為单独的氨基酸。这些氨基酸主要再迴圈使用。和苯丙氨酸，像任何氨基酸，不只是“吸收”跨越血脑屏障。他们正在积极运载体。苯丙氨酸是主动运输通过相同的转运蛋白酪氨酸。一旦进入大脑，苯丙氨酸转化為情况由酶苯丙氨酸羥化酶。苯丙氨酸是有害健康的唯一机会是如果你患上苯丙酮尿症的话，在您的苯丙氨酸羥化酶的酶没有功能。这导致有毒建立UPS的苯丙氨酸。 Newsbot9@kawasakiman Ah yes, magical evidence-free claims. Counnnnterbalancing! 哦对，神奇的证据索偿？ kawasakiman@Newsbot9 Hi newsy.Please, spare us your non-comments, and just skip to clicking everyone's dislike icon, there's a good boy. Hi小朋友，我们停下辩论吧。让每个人都跳过这些不喜欢看的内容好吗？好，好孩子！ Newsbot9@kawasakiman That's right, keep screaming that anyone outside your Tory circles shouldn't comment on your Moralist Crusade. Pay tax. 对了，保守派的人不会评论你的尖叫噪音。纳税去吧少年。 kawasakiman@Newsbot9 Hi newsy, I have 2 dislikes on all my posts.Congrats :-) You have a friend! You must be really proud. Is it your first one? Honcho Smokebox The best cure I found was to not get drunk in the first place. Works every time! Hi 孩子，在我的工作岗位上我有两个不喜欢的人。恭喜你呀，你有一个朋友，这是你的荣耀。对了，这是你第一个朋友吗？ 最好的方法是每一次都把不喝醉摆在首位。 lochaber1 Irn Bru. 我就是 Bru Frank von Winkhorst@lochaber1 That's pronounced Iron Brew for you Americans. 那显然是你们美国人的啤酒啊。(译注：图片大部分都掛掉了，贴不上去。楼主用的代理瀏览器) Honcho Smokebox lochaber1 But have you seen the side effects? Ginger hair and incoherence. ;-) 但是你看得到副作用不？薑黄色的头发还稀稀拉拉的。 kawasakiman@Honcho Smokebox Very funny :-) 很好笑呀。 Honcho Smokebox@kawasakiman Scots are great, but I couldn't resist that one ;-) 苏格兰人是伟大的，但是我是不能抵抗酒精诱惑的那一个。 The Ayatollah Buggeri So you can ingest one poisonous substance in order to offset the effects of another ... or just avoid ingesting poisonous substances. I know which of those options I'd prefer. 所以你可以摄取一种有毒物质去抵制体内的另一种有毒物质，或者是避免摄取有毒物质。我知道有些什麼样的选项，我也乐意去做选择。（译注：这位阿吗看起来笑的很开心，楼下好几位都是@她的） kawasakiman @The Ayatollah Buggeri I would just stick with a hangover myself ! 我只是想自己坚持把酒癮戒了！ Nigel Dilligaf Ashton@The Ayatollah Buggeri Who in the hell wants to die healthy? 谁愿意健健康康的下地狱？ Nigel Dilligaf Ashton@Budgie Mitchell You sir are a boss! :) 您是老板！ Xavierzubercock Read the headline, straight to comments. NO. 看标题，直到评论。 没有，什麼都没有。。。 sammitysam So when are you supposed to drink it - Is it at night, or the morning after? 所以，是的，你应该干了它。唉……是早上干还是晚上干来的？ Frank von Winkhorst @sammitysam And is this the version with or without melamine? 请问这是带三聚氰胺的版本吗？ Gussy Fink-nottle@sammitysam Der! ……天……哪…… Aidan Stevens@sammitysam Yup, you won't have a hangover if you drink Sprite on a Saturday night instead of beer, I can guarantee you that! …是…滴…如果你在週末晚上只喝雪碧不喝啤酒，我保证你不会宿醉…我…保…证…… Harveland Marz McCallister@sammitysam I'm sure PLENTY of researchers are going to be doing independent studies after this, if you know what I mean. 我想说很多的“研究者”都在做这个独立的研究，如果你明白我在说什麼的话那说明你已经醒过来了。 |
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