萨古鲁：时空旅行是可能吗？

If time is relative, can we time travel?Sadhguru replies, past, present and future are not 3 different geographicalplaces, but all one happening. He describes the relationship between space,time and gravity, and their significance to thespiritual process.

如果时间是相对性的，我们可以时空旅行吗？萨古鲁回答说，过去、现在和未来不是三个不同的地理位置，但都是同一发生着。他描述空间、时间和引力之间的关系，以及它们对灵性进程的意义。

Questioner: If time is relative can wetime-travel?

发问者：如果时间是相对性的，我们可以进行时空旅行吗？

Sadhguru: (Laughs) So you want to go intothe past or the future. Isn’t… Isn’t this the biggest problem in the world -people are time-travelling within themselves? They are trying to live whathappened ten days ago, or they’re trying to live what may happen day after tomorrow,hmm? Time-travel is the biggest problem, don’t seek it, it’s already a greatproblem. Now that’s not what you are asking - you want to know whathappened in the past or you want to know what’ll happen tomorrow. When he said,“Mere bare me kuch bolo (Please say something about me),” whatever (Laughter)what he is telling me is why don’t you time-travel for me and tell me what’llhappen tomorrow, okay? Yes? That’s all he is asking. So I have to wear myastrological clothes (Laughter).

萨古鲁：（笑）所以你想回到过去或未来。这不是...这难道不是世界上最大的问题吗─人们想自己进行时空之旅？他们试图活在10天前发生的事情，或者他们试图活在后天可能发生的事情，嗯？时空旅行是最大的问题，不要寻求它，这已经是一个很大的问题。现在这不是你要问的——你想知道过去发生了什麽，或者你想知道明天会发生什麽。当他说（泰米尔语）“Mere bareme kuch bolo'（请说些关于我的事），'无论如何（笑声）他告诉我的是，对我说为什麽不能时间旅行，告诉我明天会发生什麽，好吗？是吗？这就是他要问的，所以我必须穿上我的占星师衣服（笑声）。

See if you transcend your physical naturethere is no such thing as time. Ihere is in… In India in this culture we have aword called trikala gnani,that means one who knows past, present and future. This does not mean he istime-travelling, that is a… what these Hollywood movies which misunderstandeverything logically and literally… everything that’s said literally.

看，如果你超越你的物质本性，没有时间这回事。我...在印度的这种文化中，我们有一个词叫Trikala gnani，意味着一个知道过去、现在和未来的人。这并不意味着他是时间旅行，这是一个...这些好莱坞电影在逻辑上、字面上都误解一切...如字面上说的一切。

So why I am saying this is they are always trying to understand everythingfactually, literally. When we said there is a trikala gnani, they said, “Oh, there is somebodywho goes into past, present and future.” See this moment is eternity, I wantyou to know, it’s question of are you living in the surface or have you… haveyou… do you have a profound experience of what’s now?

所以我之所以这么说，是因为他们总是试图了解事实，从字面上理解一切。当我们说有 trikalagnani，他们说，”哦，有某人进入过去、现在和未来“。看到这一刻是永恒的，我想让你们明白，问题是你生活在表面或有你...有你？...你对此刻有深刻的体会吗？

What you think is past, what yeh think you…what you think is future or what you think is now is all one happening, theyare not three different happenings. They are not three different dimensions orthree different geographical spaces that you can go into and come back. Whenyou use the world travel it suggests movement, isn’t it? I travel from point Ato point B, I can’t travel from point A to point A, point A to point A, point Ato point A – I cannot travel unless I’m making rounds. So right now when yousay past, present and future you are talking about triple A, you understand?It’s A, A, A, it’s not A, B, C. When we say time, in the yogic perception,which ultimately modern physics will come to someday hopefully is, time is thebasic aspect of creation - because of time there is gravity, because of gravityeverything else.

你所认为过去，过去的想法...你所认为是未来，或者你认为的现在都是一个发生，他们不是三个不同的事件。它们不是三个不同的维度或三个不同的地理空间，你可以进入又返回。当你使用环游世界时，它暗示着移动，不是吗？我从 A 点到 B 点，我不能从A点到 A 点， A点到 A点，  A 点到A点  – 我不可能这样旅行，除非我进行巡场。所以此刻当你说过去，现在和未来，你说的是三A，明白吗？是A，A，A，不是A，B，C。当我们说时间，在瑜伽感知中，现代物理学最终有一天希望能出现，时间是创造的基本面─因为时间有重力，由于重力（影响）其他一切。

Right now the problem with modern physics is they have reasonably understoodthe other forces, they are unable to understand what’s gravity. Gravity is aconsequence of time, it’s not the other way round. Because there is time thereis gravity. The word time itself may not conjure that image in your mind. TheSanskrit word is correct, it’s kala. Kala means two things - time and emptiness.Kali – not talking about the Devi, Kali means what? Empty. Kala means darkness.Kala means time and it also means emptiness.

现在现代物理学的问题是，他们已合理化认识到其他力量，他们无法理解什么是重力，重力是时间的结果，不是相反的。因为有时间才有重力。时间这个词本身可能无法在脑海联想到你心中的那个形象。梵语单词是正确的，它是Kala。Kala意味着两件事——时间和虚空。卡莉女神Kal——不谈论德维女神Devi，Kali是什麽意思？空无，Kala意指黑暗，Kali意指时间，也意味着虚空。

If you try to speak with little morepersonified context we will call this Shiva. So we are talking about time andemptiness, time and nothingness as the same thing. Because there is time thereis creation, because what we call as creation exists there is gravity becauseto maintain the integrity of a little bit of physicality in this vast kala –you need some force to hold it together. So gravity is only when time bends ina certain way. Time which is nothingness, time which is emptiness takes acurve. When it takes a curve physical dimension begins. If it doesn’t take acurve physical does not exist. So when we say spiritual process you’re tryingto get out of the curve because whatever curves ultimately will go in circles,isn’t it?

如果你试图用更具人格化的语境来说，我们将称其为Shiva。因此我们谈论的时间和虚空，时间和虚无是同一件事。因为有时间才有创造，因为我们所谓创造存在，存在着重力，是为了保持一点物理的正当性，在这个巨大时间Kala中——你需要一些力量来支撑它。因此重力是只有当时间以某种方式弯曲才存在，时间是虚无的，时间是空无的，当需要曲线时，物理尺寸开始。如果不走曲线，则物理不存在。所以，当我们说灵性的过程，你正试图摆脱曲线，因为任何曲线最终都会绕圈走，不是吗？

So because you experience time as aconsequence of the curve that it took you’re understanding time as the spin ofthe planet, as the rotation of the moon and the sun and whatever else. But whenwe refer to kala, we are talking about time in a more fundamental way that itis emptiness. It is nothingness, it is… clear space is time. We are always… themodern concept is talking about time and space as two different things. We aretalking about time and space as one thing, the existential is gravity. Thenon-existential presence that is there is kala or kali or emptiness or time orwhatever you want to call it or darkness – all these things symbolize the samething.

因为你经历时间作为曲线的结果，你理解的时间作为行星的旋转，作为月球和太阳的自转以及其他任何东西。但是，当我们提到Kala时，我们谈论的时间是一个更根本的方式，它是虚无也是一无所有，这是...清晰的空间就是时间。我们总是...现代概念是把时间和空间当成两码事来谈论。我们把时间和空间当作一件事来谈论，存在就是重力。不存在的存在是Kala或kali或虚空或时间或任何你想称呼它或者是黑暗——所有这些东西象徵着同一件事。

So if somebody travels in time he’s losthis mind. Really, I know books are written about it. Don’t… Don’t ever believe…please… I want you to understand, you throw up a new concept… let’s say ascientific community throws up a new concept or philosophically some new conceptcomes. Instantly there will be hundred authors in America, first eighty willcome from America, next ten will come from India maybe these days. They willwrite books about how they experience this concept which may not even exist.Powerful books will be written and one generation will grow up on that and itwill die.

所以如果有人在时空旅行，他会失去理智。真的，我知道很多书是这样写，不要。。。永远不要相信...请你们。。。我要你们明白，你们抛出一个新的概念...比如说科学界抛出一个新的概念或哲学上一些新的概念，瞬间有100个作家在美国，前80个来自美国，后10个可能会来自印度，也许这些天他们会写书，内容写些关于他们如何体验这个概念的书，这个概念也许根本不存在，强大的书籍会被撰写，一代人将在此基础上成长然后死去。

Next generation has not even heard about - what… the books that were popular inseventies and eighties – this generation has not even heard about those thingswhich shaped those people’s psyche completely. So this time travel business,this near death (Laughs) stuff that’s going on, these are popular subjectsright now. I would advise you write a book, you will sell well, make money,it’s all right. If it’s your survival, write something but if you… it’s yourseeking don’t bullshit yourself into something and you’ll get lost. Don’t dotime travel because you cannot do time travel. Time as you know it only existsbecause of your physical nature.

下一代甚至没听过什麽...七八十年代流行的书—这一代人甚至还未听过那些完全塑造人们心灵的东西。所以这次旅游生意，濒临死亡（笑）的东西正在发生，这些都是现在很流行的主题，我建议你写本书，你会卖得很好赚钱，没关係的。如果这是你的生存方式，写一些东西，但如果你...这是你探寻的，不要把自己哄骗到某事裡，你会迷路的，不要做时空之旅，因为你做不到时间旅行，你所知的时间就只因为你物质本性而存在。

If you really want to know the profoundnessof time, if you want to know the kala which holds everything together, whichholds everything in its lap, you must distance yourself from your physicalnature. Then you know kala not as three but three As superimposed on each othernot A, B, C. So then you will not try to travel. You will dimensionally…dimensional shifts within you… you… within yourself, not psychologicalunderstanding of time. What happened yesterday is one time, what’s happeningnow is another time, what may happen tomorrow is another time - not in thatcontext. They are not three separate things. Actually what happened yesterdayif you sit here and imagine all that it’ll all happen now, isn’t it? Yes?

如果你真的想知道时间的深奥，你想知道把一切放在一起的时间kala，一切都掌握在自己腿上，你必须远离你的物质本性，然后你知道时间kala不是三个，而是三个迭加在一起的，不是A，B，C，如此你就不会试图去旅行了。你会在维度上...你内在的维度转变.....从你内在，而不是心理上对时间的理解。昨天发生的事情是一次，现在发生的事情是另一次，明天可能发生的事情是另一次，而不是在这种情况下（指三个同时），它们不是三码事。事实上，如果你坐在这裡，想像现在这一切都会发生，不是吗？是的？

What may happen tomorrow if you sit hereand if you have powerful enough imagination, it’ll happen right now. This iswhy people are suffering something that happened ten years ago and somethingthat may happen day after tomorrow, yes? They are enjoying and suffering thingswhich don’t exist. So if you try to do time travel you will lose your mind andthink you are experiencing something. Psychological… Psychological drama thatyou create in the form of thought and emotion is not life, it is a badlydirected movie (Laughter).

明天会发生什么如果你坐在这里，如果你有足够的想像力，它马上就会发生。这就是为什麽人们正在遭受10年前发生的事情，以及后天可能发生的事情，不是吗？他们正享受和忍受那些不存在的事物。所以如果你试图进行时空之旅，你会失去理智，以为你正在经历的东西。心理上....以思维情感的形式创作出心理剧不是生命，它是一部导演糟糕的电影（笑）。

Love&Grace

爱与恩典