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Question: Can you name something as sin? What is sin? (Participant: Killing an animal.) 问：你能描述一下罪恶吗？什么是罪恶？（台下观众说：杀死一只动物。） Sadhguru: I'm sorry? (Participant: Killing an animal.) Killing animal is sin? Okay. Without killing can you exist here? Every inhalation and exhalation you kill a million creatures, isn't it? Yes or no? So with every breath you are committing sin. If you hold your breath you will kill this one; again you commit sin. Isn't it so? If you eat... whether you eat a plant or a vegetable or a fruit or a bird or an animal you are killing something, isn't it? Yes or no? Aren't plants as alive as anything else? Aren't they? So can you not commit this sin? Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：我没听清楚。（台下观众说：杀死一只动物。）杀死一只动物算罪恶？好吧。如果没有杀害，你能存在吗？每一次呼吸你都杀死了百万个生物，不是吗？对不对？所以照这么说，每次呼吸你都在犯罪，但如果你一直屏住呼吸，你会杀了你自己。你还是在犯罪，不是吗？如果你吃东西，不管是吃植物、蔬菜、水果、飞禽、走兽或其它动物，你都在杀死一些东西，不是吗？对不对？植物也是和其它东西一样有生命的，不是吗？所以你能不犯这个罪吗？ Is there some way not to commit this sin? Whichever way you live you commit this sin. Now, just the simple process of breathing has become sin. Just the simple process of eating has become sin. Then you will torture yourself with guilt. That is definitely sin torturing this life is also sin, isn't it? If killing another life is sin torturing this life is not sin? Yes? Is it not? So you will anyway sin. So you have to go to the temple, church or mosque and keep the business going because always you will feel guilty. Wonderful trick, isn't it? Isn't it a wonderful device to keep it going eternally? 有什么办法可以不制造这种罪吗？无论你以何种方式生活，你都在犯罪。那么，就连呼吸的过程都有罪产生，就连吃东西也成了罪过，这样想，然后你就会用内疚折磨自己，那才是真正的犯罪。折磨自己也是犯罪，对吧？如果杀害死另一个生命是罪，那折磨自己的生命难道就不是罪？对吗？不是吗？所以，无论怎样你都有罪。所以你得去寺庙、教堂或者清真寺，要一直去这些地方，因为你总是怀有罪恶感。这是极好的诡计，不是吗？这难道不是个让你永远都这样做的妙计吗？ Can I tell you a joke? Are you okay? (Participant:Yes.) In his previous life Shankaran Pillai was a good man. After a brief illness he died. Being a good man naturally he went to heaven. When he went to heaven, the angels welcomed him the reception committee and then they opened his account book. 'Good deed, good deed, good deed, good deed, good deed, good deed, good deed.' From cover to cover only good deeds. 我可以给你们讲个笑话吗？可以吗？（台下观众说：好）山卡拉皮莱上辈子是一个好人，得了一个小病去世了。作为一个好人，他自然去了天堂。当他到了天堂，天使们来欢迎他。在接待处翻看他的功德薄，好事、好事、好事……每一页都只有好事。 Then the angels went into a little confusion and then they came to Shankaran Pillai and said, 'Mr. Pillai, we have a little problem here.' 天使们有点困惑了，他们对山卡拉皮莱说：“皮莱先生，有个小问题。” Shankaran Pillai asked, 'What is the problem?' 山卡拉皮莱问：“什么问题呢？” The angel said, 'See here in heaven we have different types of accommodation. One bad deed means highest heaven, seafront view. Two bad deeds - next level of heaven. Three bad deeds - next level of heaven. Like this we have many levels of heaven. But no bad deed there is no such place. We have never received anybody till now without a single bad deed. You are the first man, we really don't know what to do with you.' 天使回答：“在天堂我们有不同级别的住宿。只有一个罪行的人可以住在天堂的最高层，海景房。两个罪行的人，在下面一层。三个罪行的人，再下面一层。像这样，天堂里我们有不同层级。但是一个罪行都没有的人，我们这没有地方给这种人。到现在为止我们还没有遇到毫无瑕疵的人，你是第一个完人，我们真的不知道怎么接待你。” Then Shankaran Pillai said, 'What nonsense! In the world I was such a good man nobody wanted to come anywhere near me and nobody knew what to do with me and I lived with a hope that anyway I will go to heaven. Here also problem with my good deeds?' 山卡拉皮莱说：“搞什么鬼！在人世间我是一个极品好人，没人愿意靠近我，没人知道如何跟我相处，无论怎样我都要去天堂，我带着这样的希望活着。无论怎样，都要去天堂，就连天堂也不欢迎我的善行吗？” Somebody is too good means nobody wants to be around them, isn't it? Because life doesn't happen. 一个人太好了，意味着没人愿意待在他身边了，不是吗？因为这样就没有生命而言。 Then angles went into a discussion mode then they came up and said, 'Don't you worry Mr. Pillai, we have found a solution. Anyway your body is still intact. We'll give you three more hours of life, you go back, just commit one bad deed. We'll put you in the highest heaven, nothing is lost.' 天使们讨论了一会儿，然后他们出来说：“别担心，皮莱先生，有办法了。因为你的身体是完好的，我们会再给你三个小时生命，你回去，做件坏事再回来，然后我们会把你安排在天堂最高层，你没有任何损失。” Shankaran Pillai said, 'What nonsense! There also problem, here also problem, my good deeds.' 山卡拉皮莱说：“这是什么道理，在人间做好人不受待见，到了天堂还有问题。” And lo! he became alive here. He sat up; started thinking how to commit a bad deed. One and a half hours passed away. See he has no practice like you. He never committed a bad deed, he doesn't know. So he went on thinking how to commit a bad deed; an hour and a half passed away. Then he remembered; there is a woman who is well past her prime in the neighborhood who has been casting inviting glances at him, but he being a good man he never looked that way. Now he remembered adultery is a bad deed. So he went. He found that woman's house and went and knocked on the door. 然后他就又活过来了，他坐起来开始思考如何做件坏事。一个半小时过去了......他不像你们有做坏事的经验，他从没做过坏事，他不知道。他继续思考，一个半小时过去了......他想起来了，他的邻居是一位上了年纪的女士，她曾经向他投来暧昧的眼神，但作为一个好人，他从没那样看过她。他想起来通奸是件坏事，所以他找到女人家，敲门。 She opened. Shankaran Pillai said, 'I want you.' 她开了门，山卡拉皮莱说：“我要你。” 'Why Mr. Pillai, just yesterday evening they told me you are on your death bed. What is this?' “你怎么会在这，皮莱先生，昨天晚上他们告诉我你就要死了。这是什么？” He said, 'It doesn't matter. I want you.' 他说：“别管这些了，我要你。” So he went in; whatever he lacked these things somehow nature took over; things happened. But he doesn't want to die there. He wants to go home and die. So time is running out and he is leaving in a hurry. The woman came to see him off at the door and said, 'Mr. Pillai, do you know what a good deed you have done for me today?' One more good deed, what to do. 于是他进屋来，虽然他不太擅长这些事情，但是天性使然，事情还是发生了。但他不想死在那儿，他想回自己家死。时间快用完了，他匆匆忙忙要离开，女人出来送他，在门口对他说：“皮莱先生你知道，你今天对我做了一件多好的事吗？”又一件好事，怎么办？ So good people neither make it here nor there because your goodness is not coming out of your humanity. Your goodness is coming out of your morality. Morality means suppressed goodness, controlled goodness. Not because of your love, not because of your humanity that you are good but simply out of your morality. Morality means too much calculation, isn't it? Yes? Suppression. If you allow your humanity to flow you will not do anything that would cause damage to somebody. But many times we may have to do something we may have no choice. Yes? 所以好人在这里行不通，在天堂里也行不通，因为你的好不是来自人性，你的好是来自于道德约束。道德意味着你的善行是压抑和控制自己的结果。你的好并不是因为你的爱，不是因为你的人性，而仅仅出自道德标准。道德意味着太多算计，不是吗？对吗？压抑。如果你允许你的人性流动起来，你不会做任何可能伤害到别人的事。但是很多时候我们必须做一些事，我们可能没有选择，对吗？ So the question is not about papam, punyam - sin and virtue. If you are in tune with life anything that you do is okay. You are not in tune with life you have calculations going then whatever you do is sin. You are moralistic and do whatever you do all the best things that you do is a big sin because you are suppressing life. Out of your humanity whatever you do is wonderful. 所以问题不在于什么是罪什么是善，如果你与生命是和谐一致的，那你做任何事都是没问题的。如果你与生命不一致，你做任何事都是算计在先，那么不管你做什么都有罪。如果你是个道德主义者，那么不管你做什么，你做的最好的事，都是很大的罪，因为你压抑了生命。从人性出发，不管做什么都是美好的。 So the difference between morality and spirituality is just this. See if you experienced all these people as a part of yourself then do I have to teach you morals? 'Don't harm this person, don't kill that person; don't rob that person.' Would you need the morality? No. Only because you are not experiencing your original nature you have, per, you know deviated yourself from your natural course of experiencing life all these morals have become necessary, isn't it? If you open yourself up to life you will see you will be perfectly in tune with life.When you are in tune with life there is no sin, there is no virtue, everything is okay with you. 所以这就是道德约束与灵性的不同。如果你能体验到身边的所有人是自己的一部分，我还需要教你什么是道德吗？“不要伤害人，不要杀人，不要抢劫。”你需要这些道德约束吗？不需要。只是因为你没有体验到自己的天性本质，你让自己偏离了体验生命的自然轨迹，所有的道德准则就成了必需品，不是吗？如果你让自己向生命敞开，你会看到你和生命是完美一致的。当你与生命和谐一致，就不存在罪与善，你做任何事都是没问题的。 新书现售：萨古鲁《内在工程》软精装 |
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